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August 13, 2006

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isobella

I sat down at my desk on a break on Friday and a random work buddy (male, of course...) had put this week's issue of Guru on my desk. I read the article thinking 'yah...mm hmm..." the whole way through, and to be honest, I didn't know you had written it, but I thought I would check here to see if that was the case.

Well written, words that need to be spoken more. We are a miserable beast, us farang women living in Bangkok.

Thanks for writing that. It was a nice start to the weekend.

Walter Guest

You've given me a lot to think about. I may do an essay.
You made me realize it was the 'invisibility' problem that irritated me the most in the States, being past 70 suddenly makes you a second class citizen. Okay, not suddenly.
That certainly changed here.
Try visiting my neighborhood in which I've only seen one other farang in two and a half years. You won't be invisible here.

Jon

Hi,

I think this really hits it on the nose:

http://www.mangosauce.com/farang_life/western_women_who_disappear_in_bangkok.php

I spent a lot of time in Bangkok a few years back and now am in San Francisco...

was just searching for info on the coup and ran across your blogs..and these topics.....

Jeremy

You dont like it so go home.....

Stacie

Great post, and I completely know where you are coming from. Hubby and I were in Singapore for 6 months and I too, felt 'invisible', and it bugged me. I am short and not skinny, with a nice round face, and had to get used to the Chinese women chasing me with cellulite cream whenever I went to the store! The first time I cried, but then I laughed, putting it all in perspective. A size 10-12 isn't fat in America, but when surrounded by size 0's and 2's, I guess I look a bit hefty. My husband and I may be moving to Bangkok soon on a contract. That is how I found your blog. Keep writing, you are good...and I bet you have more folks reading and lurking then you realize!

cat

Well, you certainly got the peanut gallery at Mango Sauce hopping.

When it comes to the subject of BKK and western men vrs western women, there's a ton of generalising going on.

On the western end, there's (s)expat males and power mad females.

On the Thai end, there's bar girls and families with greedy hands out.

But do any of us really know these types of people? Personally? I don't.

A given, it's all down to individual realities.

In saying that... as a western women in BKK, I can't help but feel the animosity from 'some' western males.

But mostly, it comes from American males not in my social group. The majority of British men I come across are the same as in the UK, so no difference there.

Ditto for the Thais. On the whole, the professionals I know are kind, well-bred, and open for communication. If it’s a situation where a company comes in to fix or deliver something, then it's pot luck at that point.

Then there's the western community of the walking wounded (of the male persuasion, not female).

Is it a small community with a big voice? I'm not sure. They are certainly prolific online, I do know that much.

It's like they were on the short end of a nasty stick at some point in their childhood, and they can't stop waving it around, flaffing at anything remotely resembling their cause for pain.

And being men, then do it in a male way. Have you ever been in male dominate forums? Ouch. It gets nasty in there (must be the same as being in the men's locker rooms).

Like you, when in the west I'm used to admiring glances from males. So except for a few instances (like a Peeping Tom experience), the chill in Thailand from 'some' western men not of my acquaintance is noticeable (when it happens).

But unlike you, I'm no longer in my 20's or 30's. And I believe it would matter to me greatly to go from one extreme to the other at that age.

I love being around men of all sorts. I enjoy their minds, their talents, their energy and drive. So being x'd out of that early on would begin to wear, for sure.

Btw - I have a new neighbour. A young western chap. A month ago I was walking home. He was walking in front. When he got to his gate he turned. Then he smiled.

I was stunned. And I hope he didn't take my open mouth as rebuff, as I'm sure I recovered in time to smile back.

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